Joe sent me two email messages that I decided to use. Here are the orignials:
Received: from bhi-net.com by angela.ctrl-c.liu.se (MX V4.2 VAX) with SMTP; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 04:56:12 MET-1MET DST Received: from inteq.bhi-net.com (inteq1.inteq.bhi-net.com) by bhi-net.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA00652; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 21:55:52 -0600 Received: from smtpgate by inteq.bhi-net.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA19480; Tue, 26 Mar 96 21:53:28 CST Received: from cc:Mail by smtpgate id AA827905920; Tue, 26 Mar 96 21:52:34 CST Date: Tue, 26 Mar 96 21:52:34 CST From: "joe bednorz" Message-ID: <9602268279.AA827905920@smtpgate> To: email@example.com Subject: Re: Real Admins use.. (The reply not posted to the newsgroup, too much useful information.) (and flame-bait) >Ah, OK, sorry, I missunderstood you. I thought that you wanted to extract >the data with ANALYZE. What you're talking about is: > $ ANALYZE/RMS/FDL file >which creates a .FDL file (unless you say otherwise with an additional >/OUTPUT qualifier. That's it! Thanks for straightening me out. Can't believe I forgot the syntax, as much as I used to use it. Once I found this trick I vowed to always store data in indexed files in ASCII, so I could edit the files. Even managed to convince the senior programmer. Saved us many times. Gawd I miss VMS. It wasn't fancy, but it didn't need to be. It just *worked*. And the HELP command taught me computers. And my customized beyond belief LSE editor and my DCL file for creating MMS files hell, MMS CMS! RMS! Descending keys in RMS! Group logical names *System* logical names! The debugger The *programmable* debugger The programmable single-stepping easily-set breakpoints full-screen remoteable output DEEE-BUGGER! Templates in the LSE editor My search-for-what-I-have-selected extension to the LSE editor The Help key The Do key The Select key The Cut key The Paste key The next/prev Page command in the editor (go to form feed) The ability to set a mark in the editor that was *independent* of selecting things to CUT/COPY. Filesystems didn't randomly degenerate. Filesystems didn't trash themselves even if, with malice aforethought, you cut power to the system without shutting down. 30 users on 1MB of RAM SECURITY! <*un-fscking-controllable DROOLING> ACL's No world-readable passwd files. No suid bits. Freya, I almost forgot backup-bits! Hell, backup *DATES*. File creation dates NO dump/tar/cpio BS. BACKUP can deal with a write error so you don't have to throw the tape away. MONITOR! MONITOR! MONITOR! MONITOR! Recognizes abbreviated commands. DOCUMENTATION! Readable, complete, accurate DOCUMENTATION! NO *TONS* of uncompilable, unreadable, bizarre-makefile, must-be -installed-root, ghod-knows-what-it-will-do-to-your-system allegedly portable software, BECAUSE YOU DON'T NEED IT! You get everything you need. DIR DIR /SORT DIR [...] DIR /SELECT=SIZE=MIN=... DIR /OWNER= File extensions SHOW DEV/OPEN (?) (To show files that are open on the device) Being able to log security violations on the console so that you can see exactly *what* and *where* the problem it. My god, I almost forgot FMS! and SMG and LIB$ and the DCL date lexicals that won't freak when the year 2000 hits and all the other system libraries that you can call from DCL or a program or from MACRO and the system services. And that VMS was *D*E*S*I*G*N*E*D*. It didn't just occur at random. <*WHACK*> Yes, dear? No, I wasn't complaining.... Yes, I understand unix is the waveofthefuture.... Yes, unix is the equivalent of a programmer/sysadmin Full Employment Act.... No, lusers will never understand unix, so I'll always have a job if I learn it.... Yes, unix is free (and worth every cent).... No, no two unix *installations* are alike, so there's plenty of job security for everyone.... No, nothing ever gets fixed in unix so there's more job security.... Joe "VMS was my first real O/S, after SVS." Bednorz =================================================== My TRS-80 Model II just had BASIC.
Received: from bhi-net.com by angela.ctrl-c.liu.se (MX V4.2 VAX) with SMTP; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 05:04:32 MET-1MET DST Received: from inteq.bhi-net.com (inteq1.inteq.bhi-net.com) by bhi-net.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA19553; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 22:04:24 -0600 Received: from smtpgate by inteq.bhi-net.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA29033; Thu, 28 Mar 96 22:02:01 CST Received: from cc:Mail by smtpgate id AA828079230; Thu, 28 Mar 96 22:09:07 CST Date: Thu, 28 Mar 96 22:09:07 CST From: "joe bednorz" Message-ID: <9602288280.AA828079230@smtpgate> To: firstname.lastname@example.org Subject: Re: Real Admins use.. >And I made sure I will never have to miss VMS, by starting my own firm >around it :-). BTW, I just loved your list of features, may I use your >message publicly (I will put it on WWW if I get your permission)? Yes, Please post it on your Web page, just make sure of the attribution. (Why should *you* be flamed for something I *suffered* to learn.) I admit that I forgot to keep a copy of it. So if you don't put it on your webpage, please e-mail me a copy back. And here are some more to add, that I got lost in the data dump: Runoff - a text formatter that *just works*. They figured out what you need and give it to you. They don't hand you a hammer, a saw, some nails and some sawdust and tell you "Here, make your own.... This is better [sic] because everyone has a *customized* system!" Error messages. Consistently formatted error messages that you can search for in a log file. *Meaningful* error messages - Even my wife, the die-hard u*ix bigot, misses these. Meaningful error messages that you can look up the solutions to in the documentation. Documentation Meaningful documentation. Meaningful, accurate documentation. Meaningful, accurate, and *complete* documentation. Meaningful, accurate, complete, and *well-organized* documentation Meaningful, accurate, complete, well-organized, and readable documentation. Meaningful, accurate, complete, well-organized, and readable documentation broken down by user, programmer, and system administration. *D*O*C*U*M*E*N*T*A*T*I*O*N*!!!!! Unix people always *complain* about the documentation. Complain? That's like going to the library and complaining about the card catalog. "Just look at all those indexes! Anyone will be able to find out whatever they want! We Can't HAVE *THAT*!" Just *one* program to perform any given task. Instead of umpteen different ones, each with with different strengths, all with horrible weaknesses so that you have to learn *ALL* of them. Returned error codes Meaningful returned error codes Meaningful returned error codes that say more than either "it worked (maybe)" or "it didn't work (maybe)". Returned error codes that realize that, just as there is more than one way to fail, there is more than one way to succeed. (Hint: deleting a record/file that's not there to begin with.) Returned error codes that your program can write to a log file. Returned error codes that you can translate using the F$MESSAGE lexical to see !*E*X*A*C*T*L*Y*! what the problem is, with NO GUESSING. A debugger that takes your mistakes and shoves them down your throat when you single-step through your program. Yes, programmers *HATE* this. Yes, *I* hate this. But still miss it. One shell ONE shell ONE SHELL *ONE *&$#@*$% SHELL* - *All DCL is *PORTABLE*. They put *everything* you need into *one* shell. If it's not there, ask for it. They'll put it in. No more awk, nawk, gawk, perl, sh, ksh, bash, csh, tcsh, ed, sed, expand, unexpand, xargs, ... etc. (I am NOT making this up.) Lexicals - everything built-in to the whole operating system is available easily and consistently *at the command line level*. Everything is built-in to the O/S. There are no glumphs of functionality stuck on at random, that make u*ix look like the elephant man. Feature depreciation - bad things *go away*. Things actually get FIXED. For good! No more supporting the "sh" shell for-*&%$#-ever. Memory management: 30 - 100 users on ONE flipping MB of actual memory. U*ix's memory management looks good only when compared to DOS/Windows. (I can't believe David Cutler(?), who wrote Windows NT, also helped write VMS. VMS supports 32 users on 1 MB RAM. Windows NT needs 32 MB RAM to support 1 user.) rms RMS !RMS! - Indexed files *built-in* to the operating system. You're using the *same* file system the O/S does. That means it's been tested thoroughly and doesn't have performance/corruption problems. of free *file* space that you have. No disks divided (at random, with overlaps) into multiple partitions. I once spent a solid week just figuring out what partitions were set up and how, then figuring out what we were using. I found a 300 MB partition we weren't even using! A WEEK! Using the same functions, etc., that the operating system uses. Therefore, they *work*. (If you want to have a good program, make the people programming it *use* it.) ONE editor, with great on-line help that's easily to reconfigure *on the fly*. FORTRAN - a *well-defined* language. No ambiguities. Even the DEC extensions are well-defined. Easy exception-handling. (A great cry of "What's exception-handling? Nothing ever goes wrong!" arises.) FMS - a single forms management system with a great editor, where the terminal type is *completely transparent*. (Great cry of disbelief.) No idea of the file-system used, because there's no *need* to know. It just works. No fsck. No dropped i-nodes. No lost+found. None of the myriad features built-in to all of the u*ix file systems because they have never once bothered to *fix* them. NO fsck!!! Because it doesn't need it, much less *require* it. No i-nodes - no running out of i-nodes, so you can't use your 100MB of free *file* space. File types - Consistently used *all the time.* Not maybe/maybe not. no guessing what a file is. I sure miss being able to find all all executables by doing $ DIR [*...]*.EXE. (Sure you can spoof it. It's there to *help* you, not be a security feature.) SEARCH! I almost forgot SEARCH! My eyes are glistening as I recall the /WINDOW=(20) option in SEARCH. No having to open an editor to see the line just above/below the one with the matching string. search-list logicals. Built-in search paths, *transparent to the applications*. Change the search-list logical and completely change the behavior of your application, without even re-linking, much less, much less changing code and re-compiling. Batch queues. Real batch queues. Makes me wanna cry just thinking about it. I used to have a command file set up I could pass a command to and it would put it on a queue. Before the u*ix weenies start in, I also did this to put things in background. >>SHOW DEV/OPEN (?) (To show files that are open on the device) >SHOW DEV/FILES :-) Thanks. All of this unix is corrupting my brain. I keep trying to make things more complicated than they are. Do a SHOW DEV /FILES /NOSYS /OUTPUT=temp.del. (I think it's NOSYS. Doesn't really matter if you're going to do a SEARCH.) Then do a SEARCH through the file for what you're interested in. (Amazed a u*ix bigot with that.) Saaayyy.... You wouldn't happen to have a job opening, would you? (Blatant sucking-up and bragging follows. Feel free to skip to .) I tried to learn unix, thewaveofthefuture, but I just can't stand it. I've lived in the United States. I can't move to a mud hut in East Africa and be happy. Anything! Anything.... I would be proud and happy to change tapes for your backups. (That's what I'm doing now. It's a great way to learn Unix. It's worked too well.) If mayhap you have a position with more stringent requirements: I'm rusty, but with the VMS HELP command I'll get it back fast. I've done: Toolsmithing - TPU, DCL, CMS, MMS, C. (That's why I *hate* the u*ix tools. I know what can be done with good ones.) I have a set of exception handling/logging subroutines (in C and FORTRAN) that make life a lot easier. I worked up a SET DIRECTORY (It's starting to come back to me now.) command file to put the current dir in my prompt and allow me to toggle directories. Worked so well the senior programmer used it, after I defined the PF1(!) key to execute it for the toggle. And she didn't like anything new. Well, I did get her to stop using Edit when I started programming the function keys in EVE. She even moved to a VT220 so she would *have* function keys. (You can see what I was up against.) (She was Lynda Fulgham.) Spawned off the editor as a sub-process, then programmed the terminal from both EVE/LSE and DCL so that you could get into/out of it by hitting the F20 key. Programming - FORTRAN, C, and DCL using FMS, RMS, Embedded SQL with Sybase's dblib, some SMG. With *heavy* commenting, in u*ix weenie's opinions. One said he couldn't read my code because of all of the comments. Bwuu-hah-hah-hah indeed! Project management (LSE, MMS, CMS,...) (hint: use search-list logicals. Even impressed a u*ix weenie with that) Database administration (Sybase), Written documentation (I've used Word, WordStar, & others. I still miss RUNOFF's clean simplicity.). I even have some samples, somewhere. RMS database design - Learned a *lot* on that one. They would *not* let us talk to the users when we were writing it. Wrote it in six months. Then re-wrote it *while the users were using it* over the next six months. Kind of like working on a car motor while it's running. That's where I acquired my skill at editing indexed RMS files. Senior programmer loved me for it. Interface design - set up standard meanings for the visual field attributes in FMS. When someone used one of *my* forms, they knew a lot about it just from looking at it. I've done some Datatrieve, and used the CDD. I've done just one system upgrade (free-lance). Never did one before, but VMS is *not* sysadmin-vicious. Moved their system to a larger drive, too. Been to a few DECUS symposia. Pulled RA-60 disk packs. (Not useful now, but ohhh the *nostalgia*.) *I still have all of my notes.* I threw away my _DEC Professional_'s. But I still have my _VAX Professional_'s. I still have my VMS _Internals and Data Structures_ book (for Version 4.4), along with _Mastering VMS_. Great communication skills. Sometimes too good, especially when telling people something they don't want to hear. Kind of a jack of all trades. With VMS I just learned what I needed to to get the job done. My personal motto is: "It's always easier to do it the hard way." (The opposite of "There's never time to do it right, but there's always time to do it over.") Oh, and a Chem. E. degree from Rice University. I'd even wear a suit. (There is no greater personal sacrifice I could make, since I won't give up my wife.) It might take awhile though. I'd need to get in touch with Tilley's Durables to order one. That's off of the top of my head. I missed a lot of things, I'm sure. Resume available upon request. (Say, where are you anyway?) Thanks for not holding a grudge about my initial comments. My reply to your last post explains all. It's just taken 2-3 days for my service provider to get news working again. Joe "Proud member of the Unix-Haters mailing list" Bednorz ========================================================== (I have the Unix-Hater's handbook, too. And some unix-hater's mailing list archives.)